and in talking about what senator hagel said. it would be hard to imagine that senator, especially given what he said in the interview that you just played and on several other occasions didn't make comments that opened the door to that kind of thinking and exactly what he said, we don't know and we may never know, but he certainly left the impression with somebody who shared that point of view that that's what he thought. >> what does it tell us if anything of president obama's views on israel and the rest of it? because, you know, in the end, we had andy card on this program a while back and former chief of staff to president george w. bush and a different be cabinet pick. he said look, i'm of the view that the president is entitled to the picks he wants of the people around him to advise him. if the american people find him controversial then they find their president controversial. what does it tell us, if hagel sees it to the end. if president obama doesn't see a problem with that, if president obama doesn't push him to with